Dr. Brahme Reacts to Jim Carrey's New Face

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Monique Ramsey (00:05):
The internet recently decided that Jim Carrey might be a clone. So seriously though, after photos of him at the Cesar Awards in Paris went viral, people online started claiming the actor looked so different that he must have been replaced. And he's been a little bit of a recluse over the last few years. So granted, people haven't seen him as much. But then when plastic surgeons are looking at a celebrity like this and looking at a face like this, they're not thinking clone theories. It's not the first thing that comes to mind.

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They're looking for surgical clues. And so I have here with us today, Dr. Johan Brahme. We call him the man of a thousand faces because he's done well over a thousand facelifts and does a lot of facelifts on men. And so what I'm hoping today is even if you've seen some coverage about this, I think we're going to bring it to a more interesting level because we're going to deep dive into facial aging, the male face aging and what Jim Carrey had done possibly and what maybe you would do different, Dr. Brahme. So welcome to the podcast.

Dr. Brahme (01:12):
Thank you, Monique. Always nice to be here with you.

Monique Ramsey (01:16):
Nice to have you. So we're going to pull up some photos here and then ask our man of a thousand faces. What might explain the change? But I think I want to start with how does the face age? What's normal to expect? And so we're going to look at Jim as our patient today, and we're going to start with him at age 51, so 13 years ago. And what are you seeing here as his face is aging?

Dr. Brahme (01:48):
Well, Jim Carrey has such a particular face. I mean, I think he's one of the most recognizable men in the country, maybe in the world. What I see here is that A, he's got really great skin, he's got good skin tone, and he's got great teeth. He's got good cheekbones and a great chin and nose. And his face is in harmony here. And he's got a fullness to his face and a super great jawline. And then as you sort of move forward in time, you can see that the brows come down a little bit, the eyelids get a little bit more hooded. And one thing that happens to all of us as we age is that we lose fat in the face. So the underlying structures, the muscles and so on become more visible. And if we move on a little further, you can see here he's 59. And if you look at that, see the hollow beneath his cheekbones there?

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Yeah. And then there's a little bump underneath.That's the buccal fat pad. That is a structure, it's a fat compartment that sits in between the facial muscles. And if you lose fat in the face, that becomes more prominent because unfortunately the buccal fat pad doesn't change in the same way that other fat changes. So he's got a little of that going on. 60 looks good, but he's beginning to lose a little fat in his face. 2024 with a beard, you can't really say much about that except that the hooding of his upper eyelids is getting more pronounced.

Monique Ramsey (03:59):
For sure. For sure. So I think when ... I'm going to get ready, cuz here's the jump scare.

Dr. Brahme (04:06):
Whoa.

Monique Ramsey (04:06):
Here's the jump scare of 2026, right? So do you think that people saying it wasn't him, do you think that that's almost believable in some funny way?

Dr. Brahme (04:17):
Oh, no. This is Jim Carrey. There's no question about that. But some things have been done here since the last photos that we looked at and some are good and some are maybe not as much to his benefit.

Monique Ramsey (04:36):
Yeah. So we're going to come back to this photo, but I want to take you back just two years because our other photo didn't have this. And I think this brings you a lot of good information about, again, that aging face, the hooded eyelids, the facial volume. And you were talking about pre-show, we talked about the neck a little bit. Tell us about what happens to the neck.

Dr. Brahme (04:59):
So the neck is one of the things that really drives people into a plastic surgeon's office because everybody hates that turkey neck as it's referred to. And what you see here is, I can't point to the picture, but you can, Monique, see that line there on his neck? Like the one coming down here? Yeah. The one coming down there. That is the edge of a muscle called the platysma muscle. And the platysma muscle is a sheet muscle that covers the whole neck and you have one on either side and usually you have a division in the middle. So you have two muscles and what you're seeing is the edge of that muscle. And you can see it on the picture.

Monique Ramsey (05:54):
A little bit of the other one even.

Dr. Brahme (05:56):
Yeah. And you can see it, especially in this view, completely normal, but it's one of the things that really drives people crazy and make them want to visit a plastic surgeon. And we're actually very good at taking care of that. And it is absolutely clear that he had a face and neck lift between this picture and the picture today. Oh yeah.

Monique Ramsey (06:26):
Here's more 2020, oh, here. Yeah.

Dr. Brahme (06:28):
See, on the left side there, you can see both of those edges of the muscle. And some med spas that do injections and so on will say, "Oh, we should inject that with Botox." Don't waste money on that. It does nothing except support their spa. Yeah. Because that's a structural change. I mean Botox is wonderful and wonderful in other areas there it doesn't work at all.

Monique Ramsey (07:02):
Yeah. I fallen prey. Girls got to try things, but it doesn't really take it away. And so-

Dr. Brahme (07:09):
Not at all.

Monique Ramsey (07:11):
You're going to end up spending a lot of extra money that in three or four months it's-

Dr. Brahme (07:16):
The reason it doesn't is that what Botox does is that it blocks the transmission from the nerve to the muscle and so that muscle then becomes temporarily paralyzed. Well, that's great when you have what's known as a dynamic line. There are differences, different facial lines, there's dynamic and static lines. And the static lines, those are the ones you have at restoration. When you're not making a facial expression.

Monique Ramsey (07:49):
Across his forehead.

Dr. Brahme (07:50):
Yeah. And like these lines on Jim Carrey's on his neck here, these lines here, they're static lines. The ones you treat with Botox are the dynamic lines, the lines that you have when you are making a facial expression like you're frowning or you're laughing or things like that. You're concentrating. It doesn't do anything for the muscle that's just sitting there.

Monique Ramsey (08:16):
As we age, is it that the muscle gets more lax and that's why it starts to be more prominent?

Dr. Brahme (08:22):
Oh yeah. I mean, when you think about all the stretching that you do in the neck and then you lose a little fat in the neck, it just becomes more stretched, looser. And we have tons of tricks how to fix that. And we're really good at it. That's one of the things in faces that we are really good at fixing.

Monique Ramsey (08:45):
Yeah. And it's something that people see your eyes right away and they also, they're looking straight at you.

Dr. Brahme (08:52):
Right.

Monique Ramsey (08:53):
And so yeah, having that smooth is a really nice thing. So speaking to that-

Dr. Brahme (08:57):
And he's got great skin. So he's a good candidate for that.

Monique Ramsey (09:03):
So one year later, one year later-

Dr. Brahme (09:04):
One year later.

Monique Ramsey (09:06):
What do you see?

Dr. Brahme (09:07):
Oh, he's had a facelift. Because those face and neck lift, because those lines are gone. And so what people do, there are different techniques of treating this, but one of the more common ones is that you make a small incision under the chin here and then you expose these edges of these muscles and you lace them up with sutures and that completely takes them away. There are other little tricks that you can do, but in his case, he didn't have any prominent glands. He didn't have a lot of fat. So he's a pretty easy fix. I think that's very well done. I think he's probably at least three or four months out from a facelift. He may have had some fat put in his cheeks, but I'm not sure about that.

Monique Ramsey (10:06):
But you're right, he has great skin.

Dr. Brahme (10:09):
He's got great skin.

Monique Ramsey (10:10):
That helps.

Dr. Brahme (10:10):
And I tell you, skin is everything. If you have terrible skin, that's really much harder to address. And that's better addressed with lasers and things like that. But if you have great skin, surgery will do great things.

Monique Ramsey (10:30):
Yeah. And then we're coming back to now.

Dr. Brahme (10:33):
Yeah.

Monique Ramsey (10:33):
I've got some pictures here. So what changed between here where he had his face and neck, let's say, and

Dr. Brahme (10:42):
And looks good.

Monique Ramsey (10:43):
And he does look good. And one year later, what has shifted?

Dr. Brahme (10:49):
Well, somebody did a brow lift on him. If you go back to the previous picture, you can see those brows are in a natural position and he looks relaxed, he looks comfortable. And if you go back to the earlier pictures that you showed, see, here is before any surgery, I think, but his brows are in good position. He doesn't really have any forehead lines to speak of, but I think that-

Monique Ramsey (11:26):
He's got a little, he's got that-

Dr. Brahme (11:27):
Yeah. I mean, he's got a few soft little lines around the glabella here. That's from a muscle called the corrugator muscle that pulls your eyebrows together there for ... It's a natural facial expression, and that's where most people have their Botox done.

Monique Ramsey (11:48):
Those are the 11s, right? That they talk about the 11s.

Dr. Brahme (11:51):
The 11s, right?

Monique Ramsey (11:52):
The 11s. Okay. So he's still got his 11s here, but then- I don't see the 11s. Yeah.

Dr. Brahme (11:58):
Oh my goodness yeah.

Monique Ramsey (11:58):
So maybe do you think that they did something to the muscle, that corrugated muscle?

Dr. Brahme (12:02):
Yes. When we do a brow lift, and I do a lot of brow lifts, and I think it's a wonderful operation on women, not on men. It is an incredibly feminizing operation. And see, he looks surprised.

Monique Ramsey (12:23):
He does.

Dr. Brahme (12:23):
He looks surprised. And when I evaluate a brow lift and I talk to my patients who are considering brow lifts, we divide the eyebrow into three regions, the inner region, the middle region, and the outer region. And if the inner region is down, you look angry. And if the outer region is down, you look tired. And the middle region, you don't really want to change because if you elevate the middle region, you look surprised. And he looks a little surprised here. He does. So maybe he was surprised that he got the award.

Monique Ramsey (13:07):
And he's an animated guy. I mean, to be fair.

Dr. Brahme (13:09):
Yeah. I can tell you, I've done hundreds of facelifts and men, literally. And I have maybe done two brow lifts in men. And women, I do it all the time and it's very opening of the forehead. It's very inviting. It's feminizing in a very nice way. In men, it is quite the opposite. Men are acceptable with sort of that more eagle eye look, the lower brow lifts. I think he should have just had his upper eyelids done because nobody would've been able to tell the before and after, but- Yeah,

Monique Ramsey (13:56):
He's so open.

Dr. Brahme (13:58):
So open. Yeah.

Monique Ramsey (14:00):
Yeah. I think you're right. He has a little extra skin.

Dr. Brahme (14:04):
Yeah. He could have had a conservative blepharoplasty, upper blepharo. He doesn't need his lower lids done, but he could have had a nice conservative blepharoplasty and he would've looked refreshed and great. And here he looks like, "What am I doing here?"

Monique Ramsey (14:22):
Yeah.

Dr. Brahme (14:23):
Surprised.

Monique Ramsey (14:24):
Now, talking about the brow lift, how do they do a brow lift on a man and you don't see the incision?

Dr. Brahme (14:32):
Well, there are two basic ways of doing brow lifts. There's the open technique and the endoscopic technique. In men, I think that more people are doing endoscopic brow lifts because they require shorter incisions and you can have the brow incisions further back in the hairline. If you do an open brow lift with male pattern hair loss, that incision may become visible at some time in the future. I prefer open brow lifts because with an open brow lift, you actually remove about an inch of scalp, believe it or not, about an inch of scalp.

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Three quarters, maybe. Depends on the patient, but you remove a sizeable swath of scalp and then by elevating that and sewing it together, you get a very nice, very nice result. The endoscopic brow lift, however, all you're doing is that you're going in through a small incision with tools and freeing up all of the forehead from the bone. You're lifting all the forehead from the bone, and then you sort of pull it up and you put, there are many different contraptions that you can use, but you put a little bolt into the skull, and then you anchor the elevated brow to that. Problem is that it's not very long lasting, thank God for Jim.

Monique Ramsey (16:20):
It seems like it would feel weird too.

Dr. Brahme (16:23):
I mean, it is not as permanent, not nearly as permanent as the open brow lift. I have redone one open brow lift. I have redone many endoscopic brow lifts because you're just counting on the scar tissue to sort of hold it up there and over time it sort of relaxes. Well, with the open brow lift, yes, you do have a scar, but it's back in the hair, but you remove scalp. So you're actually tightening the skin just like a facelift.

Monique Ramsey (17:02):
Yeah. And that would last longer. But like you said, for Jim, that's probably a good thing

Dr. Brahme (17:07):
I hope he had an endoscopic one because he'll look like himself in two years.

Monique Ramsey (17:13):
Right. Exactly. So there's some video on this page six article, and we'll put in the show notes the two links I used for some of these images, and you guys can go back. And the one has Jim from the time he was late teen all the way up to now. But this here was some still images from the video of him walking in or walking out of the awards.

Dr. Brahme (17:38):
Yeah. And I think that you can clearly see that those, we call them platysmal bands, they've been erased. On the leftmost picture in the profile there, you can see the angle between the chin and the neck, and it is super crisp, super crisp. And that is not a ... It's a good look, but it's not natural. I mean, you have that when you're 18, maybe you don't have that when you're 64. And so that's been done, but that's a nice thing. I mean, I think that the lower face looks really good. It's really the upper face that's this problem.

Monique Ramsey (18:28):
And when you mentioned something about underneath the eyes, can you put fat there or is that not a good idea? What do you think about how to deal with the aging eyes?

Dr. Brahme (18:39):
I personally do not inject fat in the lower lids because I have seen some disasters from other places where the lower eyes look super puffy and that's the graft, that's a fat graft, the patient's own fat that has been placed there. And normally there is a very, very thin fat layer, usually about one or two millimeters thick on the lower eyelid. And I prefer to use fillers because fillers will go away, but the fat doesn't go away and it is almost impossible to remove it. I've done lower blepharoplasties on patients who have that problem and they get better, but they never get normal. They never get normal. So I don't like fat in the lower eyelids. Many of my colleagues do it, more power to them. I don't ever want to have that complication. And it's impossible. The skin of the lower eyelid is so thin.

(20:03):
I mean, if you pinch your cheek and you pinch your lower eyelid, you can tell it's totally different skin. And if you get lumpiness in the cheek, eh, you can massage it out. It's probably not very, very noticeable. If you get lumpiness in the lower eyelids, everybody's going to see it and everybody's going to be looking at that, not at you.

Monique Ramsey (20:31):
For fat grafting though, so not under the eyes, but do you like to use it in the face to help-

Dr. Brahme (20:37):
Oh, I love it. I do it on almost all my facelifts and I do it especially in the cheek here. I do it in the nasal labial folds here because people get fillers there. Why not put fat in there? It's your own. It's going to be permanent. Not all of it, but some of it, usually around 60% or so will be permanent. I use it in front of the jowls because this area often gets hollowed out. I use it in the temporal area here where you can see, especially in much older patients, that that area gets concave, and that's a super area to do it.

Monique Ramsey (21:23):
So right up in the temple, instead of having that sunken in. Yeah, because he doesn't have that.

Dr. Brahme (21:28):
He doesn't have that. No.

Monique Ramsey (21:30):
He doesn't have anything.

Dr. Brahme (21:31):
You have to be careful with putting too much fat in though, because you really can change the way somebody looks. And we all get used to the way we look basically. I mean, we may want to change some things like your neck or this or that, but when you make somebody look like a different person, that can be very disquieting for people. And whenever I have patients come in for facelifts, I show them hundreds of pictures. And the one thing that I point out to them is they look like themselves after surgery. They don't look like somebody else. They don't look like somebody who would say, "Who's that? " They look like themselves, just better. And unfortunately, a brow lift and a man can make people speculate about clones. This was not a clone for everybody. This is not a clone. This is Jim Carrey.

Monique Ramsey (22:38):
That was really him. It's a big award. You don't want to send your clone in your stead.

Dr. Brahme (22:43):
I'd want to be up there getting the award.

Monique Ramsey (22:46):
Okay. So this, the Alexis Stone is part of the reason that the clone theory took off because she's a makeup artist, drag queen person who does very elaborate mask transformations and some of these masks these days can really look pretty real. So she didn't help things when everybody was like, "Oh my God, is that really Jim Carrey?" And she threw this out there like, "Oh yeah, Alexis Stone as Jim Carrey, 2026." So this kind of made everybody ... It's a wonderful diversion, right? We get to talk about these goofy things, but yeah, I think he's unfortunately ... I'm with you in that he looked really good here two years ago.

Dr. Brahme (23:40):
He should have stopped with a facelift.

Monique Ramsey (23:42):
Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is what we do. We're chasing youth all the time, right, Dr. Brahme?

Dr. Brahme (23:48):
Yeah. Yeah.

Monique Ramsey (23:49):
So what is your advice to patients who are thinking about a transformation and worried ... They might be worrying that I don't want to look like Jim Carrey, or I don't want to look like somebody ... I hear about Kenny Rogers, right? And be able to say, "Oh, he just- " Yeah,

Dr. Brahme (24:07):
A friend of mine did Kenny Rogers. And in the beginning, he was very proud. And then later on, he didn't talk about it so much.

Monique Ramsey (24:14):
Well, I'm sure did Kenny have more than one facelift, I'm assuming.

Dr. Brahme (24:17):
Yeah. Yeah. I think he had a brow lift.

Monique Ramsey (24:21):
There we go again with that brow lift for a man. So tell me what, to maybe ease people's minds that they're not going to come out looking like a different person or come out looking too feminine or ...

Dr. Brahme (24:35):
Well, there are procedures that are feminizing that you can do on patients and obviously you want to stay away from those. And if you're doing a male, you don't want to do feminizing procedures. But basically what I tell people is that, yes, you go to these events or you see them on television and you see some really scary looking things with lips and so on. And I say, "But that's not good surgery." You're also seeing hundreds of people who've had facelifts who look great and you don't know that they've had a facelift. So the ones you see that scare you, they represent the minority of facelifts. And that's why I point that out when I have a consultation for a facelift, I show them all these pictures. I say, "And look, they look like themselves. They don't look different, and that's the best I can do." And I tell patients afterwards, I say, "Nobody may notice." They will probably say, "You look really good. Did you change your hair or did you go on a vacation or I want to go where you went." But it's really rare that people say, "Oh, who did your face lift?"

Monique Ramsey (26:14):
Right.

Dr. Brahme (26:15):
I haven't had anybody say that ever. So I think that a pleasing, natural facelift without doing things that are maybe gender inappropriate, to use modern terms. Another thing that's very feminizing that I do a lot in women is we do a little lip lift because as we get older, our lip gets longer and it loses fat. And so when you smile, you don't see the front teeth. Well, you can take out a little piece of skin right under the nostrils and correct that. But if you do that on a man, they are going to look much more feminine. I've done it in several trans patients who are transitioning and they love it. But I'd be very careful in a man doing that.

Monique Ramsey (27:13):
Well, and as a woman, as I'm getting older, filler can only go so far. And you can get this weird distorted mouth if you have too much going on in there because you're not solving the right problem.You're talking about this distance gets longer, filler isn't going to make it shorter.

Dr. Brahme (27:34):
Yeah. A lot of people try to do the lip thing with fillers or fat and all it does is a long fat duck lip and nobody likes that. I mean, there are people who actually think that that's attractive. Personally, I don't think so. And most people I talk to don't think so either.

Monique Ramsey (27:58):
Well, and the other thing that they can do is the lip flip with the Botox where they put just a couple units, but I had it once and I'll never do it again because I couldn't talk. I couldn't talk.

Dr. Brahme (28:09):
My wife had it done. I don't do it personally, but she had it done. I thought it looked great.

Monique Ramsey (28:16):
Well, it probably did look great. I couldn't talk. And when I'm doing a podcast every week, I couldn't say P words. I couldn't say certain words I could not pronounce P words in one other vow or letter where I just couldn't say it right and everything would get kind of stuck. And it was the most annoying thing. And I really didn't see that it made that much of a difference. I mean, maybe it did. I don't know. It wasn't enough for the, the trade off for me was too severe.

Dr. Brahme (28:42):
Yeah. I think that if you go to have ... I mean, Botox is really safe from the eyes on up. From the eyes on down, you don't have many muscles going up. You've got dozens of muscles going down and you are at much higher risk for having crooked smiles and things like that if you inject in the lower face. So if you are thinking about doing that, go to somebody who's really, really experienced.

Monique Ramsey (29:18):
Yeah. Yeah. Because crooked smile.

Dr. Brahme (29:22):
And you're going to have it for three to four months.

Monique Ramsey (29:24):
Yeah, at least depending on how, you might have to talk more to get rid of it faster, more dynamic range.

Dr. Brahme (29:30):
And there's no antidote, unfortunately, like there is with fillers.

Monique Ramsey (29:34):
Yeah. Fillers you can dissolve. Botox, it is what it is until it wears off. Let me ask you the last question I have about ... Now Jim Carrey is obviously in the limelight far more than we everyday pleabs are in the limelight. But if we're thinking about a facial rejuvenation surgery that maybe is a face and neck, possibly a brow or some eyes and some facial fat transfer, How long do you think people need to sort of plan ahead for if they're trying to be ready for a wedding in September and we're just about to be in April, should they be thinking about surgery now? How much time should they give themselves?

Dr. Brahme (30:15):
The longer the better, obviously. But I think that you should never, ever do something or have something important like a wedding less than six weeks. And that's assuming everything goes really well. I would say three months, three months. At three months, you're looking great. And I have pictures of patients who are two weeks out from surgery and they look fabulous. That's the exception. Once you do the eyes, the eyes again, like I said, has thin skin. It tends to bruise more than the rest of the face. And that bruising can take three weeks to go away. If you're just doing the lower neck and face, you might be able to get away with two and a half, three weeks. But there is swelling that lasts for a full year. Now, 90% of it is gone after three months, but there are still changes, subtle changes that will happen throughout the first year. After a year, we just continue to age normally, unfortunately.

Monique Ramsey (31:40):
Now, do you think there's a benefit to maybe doing some of this, the facial rejuvenation surgery a little earlier than waiting?

Dr. Brahme (31:53):
The short answer is yes. Because if you're operating on increased younger skin that hasn't been destroyed by the sun and all that, if it has good elasticity to it, your results will be more subtle, but more long lasting. So I think that ... I'm not saying that everybody should have had a facelift at 45. I think that's ridiculous. But if somebody is unhappy or concerned with their facial appearance and they're having early signs of facial aging, I think it would be not right to deny them the benefits of having a facelift younger. And I have many patients who I did their facelift, say, in the late 40s, and then we did a little something maybe in their late 50s. And then by the time they're 70, they come in and we do the final touch-up. And they look great forever. So why not, if you're thinking about this, why not do it and enjoy the benefits while you're healthy and earlier?

Monique Ramsey (33:24):
This is true. And you probably bounce back a little quicker.

Dr. Brahme (33:26):
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, 70 is 70.

Monique Ramsey (33:31):
Yeah.

Dr. Brahme (33:32):
70 is a new 40, but ...

Monique Ramsey (33:34):
Why not, right?

Dr. Brahme (33:35):
Why not? Yeah. And you can enjoy those benefits for a long time.

Monique Ramsey (33:39):
This is true.

Dr. Brahme (33:40):
But everybody's different.

Monique Ramsey (33:42):
I think you can have that conversation earlier though. You don't have to feel like you have to wait till you're 63 to go in and have a conversation. If you're younger and some things are bothering you, just find out what the possibilities are. I think that's always a nice thing because sometimes you need to rattle that around your head for a couple years.

Dr. Brahme (34:00):
Oh, sure.

Monique Ramsey (34:01):
Maybe you're ready to go. Everybody's a little different.

Dr. Brahme (34:03):
Actually, studies have shown that from the first time people start thinking about maybe doing some change for themselves, not necessarily face, but some cosmetic change. It's two years before the thought pings and they come in and have surgery. Interesting. Average thing. So people who come in, they've thought about this. And now with the AI and the internet, they come in really well-informed and they know what they want. They know the different procedures and they're much more educated, which I love. That's great. Because I can talk to them then at a whole different level.

Monique Ramsey (34:55):
Right. Very true.

Dr. Brahme (34:56):
And we can exchange much more meaningful information.

Monique Ramsey (35:00):
Yeah. This has been a really fun hour that we've spent together. Thank you, Dr. Brahme, for joining us after your surgical day. I was like, "Please, please bring him down the hall so I can talk to him."

Dr. Brahme (35:14):
I love talking to you.

Monique Ramsey (35:15):
The internet does its thing, but I really wanted to dive a little deeper than just like, "Oh, face, neck, brow, whatever." Really getting into how we age, why we age and the things that what are those telltale signs, which I just love. So thanks again for sharing your wisdom of over a thousand facelifts. I don't know when we have to ... You probably just stop counting after a while, right? Just another couple of faces.

Dr. Brahme (35:42):
It's not the number. It's just the happy patience.

Monique Ramsey (35:44):
Yeah. It's very nice. Very fulfilling job you get to do.

Dr. Brahme (35:47):
Oh, I love it. I love it.

Monique Ramsey (35:49):
Thanks everybody for listening. And we have lots of links in the show notes for you, so be sure and check there. And if you haven't subscribed, please do because we'd love to have you. Every Tuesday, we put out a new episode and we'd love to have you join us for the latest topic on plastic surgery. So thanks everyone, and we'll talk to you later. Bye.

Dr. Brahme (36:08):
Thank you.

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